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Christian B&B operators and gay couples.


A Highland B&B operator has backed Chris Graylings defense of guest house owners to refuse doublebeds to gay couples. Tom Forrest of Kinlochewe has written to a newspaper which has also carried a letter from Rev. David Robertson
 
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from Tom Forrest
Cromasaig,
Kinlochewe
07/04/10

SIR,
I was interested in Michael Milligan's views regarding a "free society" and standing up for one's rights (Turning away gay couples", Letters, April 6).

In my experience, the only people in this alleged “free society" with rights would appear to be the homosexual community, who have, incidentally, to gain credibility, aligned themselves with the disabled. Being a cripple myself, I do not wish to be used as a pawn to further their cause.

Perhaps Mr Milligan should consider whether or not I have similar rights of "freedom of speech and freedom of choice"? As to the comments by Mr and Mr Martin (Letters, April 6), I do not consider myself to be a religious fundamentalist, rather a normal Christian who lives a normal life and maintains certain moral standards. I have never stated that I do not want homosexuals in my establishment; what I have said is that I will not allow them to share a double bedroom.

I do accommodate the more sensible and less radical members of the homosexual community who respect my principles.

As for my being bigoted, surely this relates to an intolerant person who blindly supports a particular view. The Martins have, inadvertently I am sure, put themselves in this frame.

Having spent a lifetime travelling worldwide, and being a time-served and now, due to defending our rights to free speech and choice, a crippled former member of our armed forces, I consider myself to be worldly wise and broad-minded.

Ed footnote:
See report in the STV Today

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from David Robertson
St. Peter's Free Church
Dundee

SIR,
Your correspondents Michael Milligan and Mr and Mr Martin (Letters, April 6) claim the moral high ground on the ques¬tion of bed-and-breakfast establishments being forced to accept homosexual couples.
However, their views are fundamentally illiberal in that they are seeking to im¬pose them on those who do not share them.

If I used my home for a B&B, I would not allow un-married couples to share one of my beds. Likewise for homosexual couples. Unmarried couples of whatever sexuality would be welcome to stay in my home, in separate rooms.

Surely I am entitled to have my own standards of sexual morality in my own home? Why should the state think it has the right to enforce adultery, or what I would consider immoral sexual behaviour, in my house?

It is a sign of the illogicality and spinelessness of modern politicians that so few have either the sense to see, or the guts to oppose, state-enforced sexual immorality.

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Tom Forrest/David Robertson, 07/04/2010

Feedback:
Archie MacArthur (Guest) 12/04/2010 07:24
David says "If I used my home for a B&B, I would not allow unmarried couples to share one of my beds". How,actually, do you assess whether people are married? If a couple sign in as Mr & Mrs Smith, are you going to demand to view the marriage certificate? Jesus says, in contrast, 'don't judge'. We are not responsible for judging our neighbour's behaviour, and grace is what's called for in our relationships.
Peter Carr 12/04/2010 08:00
Sir Menzies Campbell MP recently made a very valid point on the BBC's 'Question Time' with regards to this subject, he said (paraphrase) that when people (Christian and non) go into business in Britain, they limit their own rights to accomodate the law of the land!
Rosemary Cameron 18/04/2010 21:57
We all limit our rights to accommodate the law of the land, whether in business or not. The problem is that this government has introduced more and more laws which impinge on the freedom of businesses to decide how they run their business. As a self-employed person I need the freedom to decide who to have as a customer and who to refuse. I don't make such decisions on the basis of race or sexuality or whatever however I could now be open to claims of discrimination if I turn down a person because I have good reason to think that they may not pay or may otherwise be a difficult client or I just don't fancy the job and that person also happens to be black, gay or disabled (and easily offended). Why should a business be obliged to serve everyone? Business relationships are mutual - if you have the freedom to choose not to use my business, I should also have the freedom to choose not to have you as a customer and I shouldn't have to explain my reasons any more than you do.
Rosemary Cameron 18/04/2010 21:58
BTW I notice that David Cameron has been trying to distance himself from Chris Grayling on this issue.
Tom Forrest (Guest) 25/04/2010 16:23
Our own local MP Charles Kennedy has also distanced himself from the Grayling issue, indeed he has either abstained or voted for every step taken along the Equality Law route but never against.
Peter Carr 25/04/2010 21:52
I could be wrong, but if Christians choose to ignore the law of the land, then they are likely to be punished, and possibly bring the gospel in to disrepute as well, depending on what laws they are flouting.

For example, if they choose to flout the law re B & B's then it could see them ignore Rom 13: 1

Romans 13:1 (New International Version)

"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."

But on the other hand if a Christian chose to ignore a law against preaching, they could safely also ignore Rom 13: 1, whilst at the same time fulfilling the Great Commission Matt 28: 18 - 20

Matthew 28:18-20 (New International Version)

"Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Any thoughts anyone?
Editor 26/04/2010 10:17
Just a note to say that there is now an article on the website -
'Christian's livelihoods under threat' which comments into this issue. As the matter - though very important for the catering industry - has wider relevance, it might be better continuing the discussion there.
Dudley Powell (Guest) 30/04/2011 21:53
I fully concurr with the views in both the letters above. Maybe Christisans who run b & b's shoould consider only having twin bedded rooms. As a hapily maried amn for 43 years when we go away we often use b&b accomodation and choose twin beds rather than a double. We sleep better when away - after all sex is not the only thing that happens in a bedroom!
David Skinner (Guest) 28/09/2011 13:52
I absolutely agree with Rossemary Cameron, businesses have every right with whom they may or may not do business . What about the issue of governments boycotting trading with other countries because they do not like the sovereign policies of those countries? What about Google and the Co- operative Bank discriminating in the provision of goods and services against those will not sign up to the diversity laws?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4617849.stm
It seems that some can discriminate whilst others cannot. And believe me there are gay clubs and hotels that are openly discriminating against straight people, with the blessing of the Equality and Human Rights commission . http://www.hamiltonhall.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=310:discrimination&catid=44:public-content
Read the twisted reasoning of this gay writer on why gays, discriminating against straights is justified:
http://thethirdestate.net/2011/01/life-isnt-fair-why-its-ok-for-g-a-y-to-discriminate-but-not-for-homophobic-bb-owners/
But discriminating against people on the basis of innocuous characteristics such as skin colour, race, disability, or of age in the provision of goods and services, like being able to sit on a bus, eat in a restaurant, attend school and have access to medical care, is entirely different to refusing to serve someone whose avoid intent is to destroy the very fabric of society, marriage and the family. Those promoting and celebrating gay ideology must be resisted with any legitimate means. Homosexuality is not an innocuous and immutable characteristic . It is the consequence of many things, ranging from emotional disorder, sexual confusion, sexual abuse, seduction and finally personal choice. The Gay Liberation Front have declared on us and our children. Enlist now for the battle for our nation.

m (Guest) 16/12/2011 19:21
Why so much hatred?

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