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God's purposes in Israel?


A recently-produced film 'With God On Our Side' dealing with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is currently being shown internationally.
A video recording was made of meetings in Dundee, and scenes are now to be given the first public showing in the Highlands with discussion following.
 

 

 

What does God's word say about modern-day Israel and Jews

 

First public showing of a new video to discuss

the controversial film With God On Our Side

   

North Kessock Mission Hall

7.30pm Friday, 18 February 2011


Film showing to Dundee audience
Dundee ConferenceA TWO-DAY event in Dundee in November last year saw an Anglican Minister and a American Pentecostal film-maker present a new and controversial film entitled With God On Our Side.

The subject matter was the Israel/Palestinian conflict and Rev. Dr. Stephen Sizer – an Anglican clergyman – along with the film's producer Porter Speakman showed the film and addressed the gatherings from both a political and a theological perspective.

A full showing of the film which questions how Christians should regard the modern state of Israel and the Jewish people was screened in a Dundee hotel to an audience drawn from the general public. On the following day an extract was shown to a group of Christians in a Dundee church: this was followed by a presentation, 'Bible Study' and interactive discussion.

With a view to disseminating these meetings to a wider audience, Nairn-based Thistle Channel TV recorded the events on camera, and as a ‘first showing’ there is now a chance to view an edited version of the video and engage on subsequent discussion on the Bible’s view of Israel and God’s purposes. The showing will include (with permission obtained) an extract of the film 'With God On Our Side'.

Yachad headerIn attendance at the showing will be members of a Scottish group called Yachad which has a strong interest in the Israel/Palestine situation.


The following extract shows two scenes from:-
  • a public showing of the full film With God on Our Side and
  • the subsequent short showing and following 'Bible Study' in St. Peter’s Church, Dundee

 Dundee film showing and subsequent interactive Bible Study 

Click on arrow above to start video playing.

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Seating is limited so if you wish to attend this meeting please -

e-mail esther414@btinternet.com

and give your Name, Tel. No. and Number of Seats required.

 
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Bible StudyTake your Bible: to check out God's Word regarding what He says on the subject.

Some resources will be available at no charge and there will also be opportunity to purchase books and DVDs on the subject of God's dealings with Israel and the Jewish people.

Thistle ChannelThere is no charge for this event but an offering will be uplifted as a contribution to the costs of gathering the material and bringing it to you.


Kessock Mission Hall, North Kessock, by Inverness
North Kessock Mission Hall   Return to top of page

The Mission Hall is situated on the shoreline around 300 yards beyond the North Kessock Hotel and just behind the Dolphin viewpoint and the car-turning area.

Car parking is available on the street and also opposite the hotel.

Post Code for Sat. Nav.

IV1 3XN
 Mission Hall, Main Street, North Kessock 




Thistle Channel TV, 03/02/2011

Feedback:
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Alistair Jones (Guest) 02/02/2011 12:58
The current upheavals in Egypt could de-stabalise the whole region even further.
Peter Carr 02/02/2011 13:18
Alistair said, "The current upheavals in Egypt could de-stabalise the whole region even further."

God's word says, Ps 24: 1 "The earth is the LORD’s, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it..."


Rob (Guest) 02/02/2011 20:27
With such criticism, I found David Pawson's "Defending Christian Zionism" very helful. Whilst backing much of what Sizer says he establishes the sure biblical basis for support of Israel.
John Wilson (Guest) 03/02/2011 23:59
Ive been thinking about this issue alot lately, not sure why but I found this short artical by john piper on the matter and thought it was well balanced.

Land Divine?
We should treat the Israeli-Palestinian
dispute as we would any other

By John Piper

How should bible-believing Christians align themselves in the Jewish-Palestinian conflict? There are biblical reasons for treating both sides with compassionate public justice in the same way that disputes should be settled between nations generally. In other words, the Bible does not teach us to be partial today to Israel or to the Palestinians because either has a special divine status. Israel has a unique place in God's plans, but this status does not warrant a claim, at the present time, to divine prerogatives.

Israel was chosen by God from all the peoples of the world to be the focus of special blessing in the history of redemption which climaxed in Jesus Christ, the Messiah. "The Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for His treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth" (Deuteronomy 7:6).

Moreover, God promised to Israel the presently disputed land from the time of Abraham onward. "This is the land of which I swore to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, 'I will give it to your offspring'" (Deuteronomy 34:4).

But neither of these biblical facts leads necessarily to the endorsement of present-day Israel as the rightful possessor of all the disputed land. Israel may have such a right. And she may not. But that decision is not based on divine privilege. Why?

First, a non-covenant-keeping people does not have a divine right to the present possession of the land of promise. Both the experience of divine blessing and the habitation of the land are conditional on Israel's keeping the covenant God made with her. Thus God said to Israel, "If you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, you shall be My treasured possession among all peoples" (Exodus 19:5). Israel has no warrant to a present experience of divine privilege when she is not keeping covenant with God.

More than once Israel was denied the experience of her divine right to the land (not the final right itself) when she broke covenant with God. For example, when Israel languished in captivity in Babylon, Daniel prayed, "O Lord ... we have sinned and done wrong.... To You, O Lord, belongs righteousness, but to us open shame ... to all Israel ... in all the lands to which You have driven them, because of the treachery that they have committed against You" (Daniel 9:4-7; see Psalm 78:54-61). Israel has no divine right to be in the land of promise when she is breaking the covenant of promise.

This does not mean that other nations have the right to molest her. She still has human rights among nations even in those seasons when she forfeits her divine right. Nations that gloated over her divine discipline were punished by God (Isaiah 10:5-13).

Secondly, Israel as a whole today rejects her Messiah, Jesus Christ, God's Son. This is the ultimate act of covenant-breaking with God. God promised that to Israel "a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6-7). But with tears this Prince of Peace looked out over Jerusalem and said, "Would that you ... had known on this day the things that make for peace! ... You did not know the time of your visitation" (Luke 19:42-44).

When the builders rejected the beautiful Cornerstone, Jesus said, "The kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits" (Matthew 21:43). He explained, "Many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham ... while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness" (Matthew 8:11-12).

God has saving purposes for ethnic Israel (Romans 11:25-26). But for now most of the people are at enmity with God in rejecting the gospel of Jesus their Messiah (Romans 11:28). God has expanded His saving work to embrace all peoples (including Palestinians) who will trust His Son and depend on His death and resurrection for salvation. "Is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? ... He will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith" (Romans 3:29-30).

The Christian plea in the Middle East to Palestinians and Jews is: "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved" (Acts 16:31). And until that great day when both Jewish and Gentile followers of King Jesus inherit the earth (not just the land), without lifting sword or gun, the rights of nations should be decided by the principles of compassionate and public justice, not claims to national divine right or status.


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