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John Parker (Guest) (26/11/2010 15:08)

It is clear from the teachings of Scripture and from the actions of Jesus and his early followers that violence is not part of God's purposes in propagating or defending the Gospel.
I state the obvious in saying that this peaceful position is not reflected in radical Islam.

In this context governments fear Islamists but trample over Christianity. Unfortunately (and speaking humanly) in any confrontation, the violent will most likely win.

Osama Bin Laden said (in 2001): "...when people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse."

Martin Lisemore (26/11/2010 15:54)

John, it's lovely to read you again. Thank you.

Exactly my point. We Christians are not adequately represented in the churches - generally they don't know what to do with us. The denominations rolled over and let it all happen.

John, I do not advocate violence. But I do espouse strong and continuing peaceful protest, knowing we are in the will of God. Not necessarily taking to the streets, but supported in prayer by our intercessors and brothers and sisters, stand against the enemy. Rolling over is not a stand.

Rolling over is submission to what is not yet the inevitable.

Yes, humanly, the violent have a fair chance of winning. Yet I can't forget Elijah and the unseen Heavenly Hosts. What God has done once He can do again.

John Parker (Guest) (26/11/2010 18:17)

Christians are urged to use the law when it is on their side. The problem is that the law (by police and judges) is being selectively and differentially applied.

What Christians need to do (and I speak to myself) is write to their newspapers and their MPs and the members of the House of Lords and their Chief Constables and the Procurator Fiscals office and all others involved.

And "Yes" pray that God will give the victory.

Peter Carr (27/11/2010 11:30)

Christianity = grace, love and tolerance, which means we should always be willing to turn the other cheek!

Matt 5: 9 - 12;

9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
John Parker (Guest) (27/11/2010 12:11) Ooops! Sorry! I meant to give a biblical mandate for using the law when it is on our side:

"As they stretched him out to flog him, Paul said to the centurion standing there, "Is it legal for you to flog a Roman citizen who hasn't even been found guilty?"

When the centurion heard this, he went to the commander and reported it. "What are you going to do?" he asked. "This man is a Roman citizen."

The commander went to Paul and asked, "Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?" "Yes, I am," he answered.
Then the commander said, "I had to pay a big price for my citizenship." "But I was born a citizen," Paul replied.

Those who were about to question him withdrew immediately. The commander himself was alarmed when he realized that he had put Paul, a Roman citizen, in chains. (Acts 22:25-29)

Peter Carr (27/11/2010 20:48)


I would have thought that being a citizen of heaven supercedes any earthly citizenship we have, and therefore should in many respects alter our perspective whilst here on earth (hence Matt 5: 9 - 12).

Stuart Walker (Guest) (11/12/2010 09:38)

I found this article after a discussion at my local Gideons meeting. I am interested in the law, so started a search. Paul indeed knew how to call upon the lawful right of a Roman Citizen, but The persecution he suffered at the hands of the Jews and the Romans, whips, lashes, imprisonment, insults, slaps on the face; not to mention God providing ship wrecks, the thorn and temporary blindness, to add to his troubles, provides a weak argument in my view that the law is the answer. We Gideons would not consider prosecuting for damage to a testament, we would quickly want to take it out of service and replace it. I was asked by a Police Officer if we would provide a statement to prosecute, thankfully I have been able to provide replacements for the many damaged bibles. The witness of our policy of replacement is far more powerful than placing a Koran on top of a dusty bookshelf. We can only tell in a tiny measure how powerful the free distribution of the Word is, but any professional man or his wife reading this who know Jesus as a personal Saviour, can afford a £75 a year subscription, a few hours a week to give away bibles should contact their local branch of the Gideons.

Peter Carr (11/12/2010 10:41)

"...but any professional man or his wife reading this who know Jesus as a personal Saviour, can afford a £75 a year subscription, a few hours a week to give away bibles should contact their local branch of the Gideons."

Why restrict it only to professionals?AD (Guest) (11/12/2010 12:52) We could pick, or make observations as follows:
[1]Because amateurs are not paid and therefore might find such a subscription beyond their pocket.
[2]Some 'mere' workers, although paid,may have financial problems and
[3] Why not a man - professional or otherwise - and his girlfriend? Why restrict it to a man and wife?

Peter Carr (11/12/2010 14:54)


You seem to have the same concerns as myself! ( Page 2 of 2. Page 1 )

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