Christians Together : DISSENT in the Kirk

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Seumas, Tobermory (Guest) (25/05/2012 18:22)

Who else? Indeed. Just look around. When churches pollute their style of worship in order to attract renegades from other churches. When they plan to change the name of their college because, apparently "Free Church College" is off-putting. And when they toy with changing their denominational name , presumably for the esame reason, it is clear that they are pursuing an agenda that is populist above all else.

Name change - how about "Cool Awesome Church" - that should hit the zeitgeist about right. And it spells CAC as well which pretty well sums up what the Free Church has done over the past few years.... (try a Gaelic dictionary and you'll see what I mean)

B. Lever (Guest) (25/05/2012 20:21)

Sorry Seumas, but those reasons seem neither biblical nor relevant as to why The Lord would remove a lampstand.

Seumas, Tobermory (Guest) (25/05/2012 22:44)

The reasons I gave are because certain people are playing at politics,power, personalities and egos. Its all about influence and control - a real downside of denominationalism.

Whether that is biblical or not is anyones guess. But I doubt that the early NT church was concerned with such matters.

(Guest) (26/05/2012 00:15)

Maybe it's just that these churches are trying to protect or rid themselves of influences which are not at all Biblical. There does sometimes come a time when a church has to distance itself from a certain denomination and therefore a name change will become necessary. I would say the CofS is the one who is pursuing populist agendas - trying to be all things to all people and ends up serving no-one, especially not God. You cannot blame people for wanting to distance themselves from that.

B. Lever (Guest) (26/05/2012 06:58)

The problem for far too long is that our churches have become too cultural and not enough biblical. When God's Word is not applied corporately or individually the cracks begin to appear. The further problem now is that these cracks are becoming huge gaps that can no longer be papered over, and which will lead inevitably to seperation.

jim macdougall (Guest) (19/07/2012 13:25)

in all of the above i can not see one single reference to the greatest and newest commandment which was not carried down the mount by Moses but came special delivery after ,straight from the horses mouth so as to speak and it is " love one another as you wish to be loved " No mickey mouse modern translations here this is the same in our western Gospels as it is in the " Lost Gospel of Thomas " from the recently found nag ham collection (dead sea scrolls ) and as it is in the original Greek.
Now using one of jesus's other famous quotes when he was saving a woman from a good old fashioned mob rule community chanting and stoning to death execution " let he who has.......
Now I wish for just one of the above to explain to a couple in love why Jesus 's new command does not apply in their circumstance. Just one .

jim macdougall (Guest) (19/07/2012 13:54)

And on a related point ,if the quotes have to be dug out of the darkest cupboards of the Hebrew BIble "the old testament" where they are stored along with other law commands like " if you are a bit short you can always sell your daughter into slavery " WHAT SICKENS ONE MOST THE SLAVERY or THE SEXISM THAT DAUGHTERS CAN BE SOLD BUT SONS CAN@T ?
THe point of the new command (and new testament?) is it is a new way and jesus is quite explicit in his criticism of the church elders (and the Jewish people resting on their laurels because they were once the chosen people but jesus warns them that option is no longer relevant . Am i trying to remember the gospel of Mark .please elaborate or correct me.
We either take on the "all love is good love " Mantle or cloak ourselves for going out hoping to come across a good old fashioned stoning so make sure that cloak has big pockets for big rocks.
What would Christ do and on the Mount where he refers to the last (in society ?) becoming first ,who exactly in society was he refering to.

The mainline of this debate is as a church are we confident enough to jettison the old testament and let the NEW become THE . If we can't get Christianity to the level of Islam we are not being fair to the teachings of Jesus . And the answer is easy , attend a local gay friendly church and see it from their point of view just as i endured a horrencous visit to a young church with drum music,guitars and music which was not my taste at all . However their musical bent was no reason for me to judge ,just because i am an afficianado of Organ music and i should not be blinkered to relate my taste (good?) with their taste (different?)

EddieHallahan (Guest) (19/07/2012 16:25)

Actually Jim you will find that the greatest commandment is to 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind' and the second is to 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' Matthew 22:36-40

So before we love our neighbour as ourself we have to first love God - and as it says elsewhere we love by obeying His commands.

Does God love homosexuals/lesbians/bisexuals/transgendereds/heterosexuals?
Yes, He loves all people completely and fully - it is impossible to make Him love us less, or more than He already does.

However part of this love is that God expects us to take responsibility for and face the consequences of the choices we make in life.

One cannot become a Christian by repenting of your sins (whatever they may be) and then keep continuing in said sins as though nothing had changed - not without going through the spiritual wringer as the spirit within you keeps pointing out that what you are doing is wrong.

God has set out some pretty clear standards on what is right and what is wrong, and homosexuality is pretty clearly marked as wrong - along with a whole pile of other stuff.

If God says something is wrong then regardless of how much society says that that something is right doesn't change the fact that in God's eyes it is still wrong and people who persist in doing said something will have to face the consequences of doing so. Not because God doesn't love them but because God loves them so much.

Ewan Wilson (Guest) (16/10/2012 22:34)

I see from an advert in the Metro newspaper that the Renfield Centre - no less than the headquarters of the Glasgow Presbytery of the Church of Scotland- is being rented out by the Christian Science movement to peddke their Christ denying and evil and dangerous doctrines that Christ has not come in the flesh and that illness is a matter of delusion unworthy of medical treatment. So, the Kirk is reaping the bitter fruits of its corrupted General Assembly already. Hosting such repugnant heresy should be a wake up call to all remaining Reformed/evangelicals in the Kirk just what they are unequally yoked together with. It is shameful and shows what an utter mess years of indiscipline and tolerating anti-Scriptural views brings upon one ultimately. I fear the Kirk is all but lost to the Gospel and has degenerated to a synagogue of multicultural syncretistic devlishness. The genuine remaining evangelicals have but two options- separate immediately or protest vociferously and face almost certain expulsion. Silence would be unutterably revolting in the face of such blatant apostasising.

Colin Buchanan (Guest) (20/10/2012 20:35)

I am not at all surprised that the church (with a small 'c') of Scotland cannot do anything but hammer the beautiful people at the Tron, because they are all about buidings and all the other things that are important to this intolerant "tolerant" culture of ours. If they came to an "amicable" arrangement, the flood gates would open.

The challenge now is for those who are Christians to weigh their buildings/traditions/security in the balance and the scales are measured by one standard - Isaiah 7:9, (my own paraphrase) "If you do not stand firm, if you are not morally true and certain, steadfast in faith, you will not stand at all."

The church of Scotland, as opposed to those in it who are of the Church of Christ, have lost their candlestick and God's judgement is seeing the movement of God's people out of an apostate church. The cords that bound them to their disobedience have become the thick, unbreakable cart ropes of apostasy.

This land of ours used to be known as the Land of the Book. The church of Scotland is no longer the Church of the Book!

The time has come to contend for the faith once for all given to the saints and, perhaps, with the added attacks by governments on our faith, to go beyond the denominations and see a version of the Covenant, drawn up and signed by all those, across the Protestant denominations, who hold to the Bible as the Final, Authorative, All Sufficient and Inerrant Word of the Living God.

I believe that the Lord will bless His people in a way that would not have happened without the persecution of Christians by the state and the apostate churches, who do not hold to such a position with His Living Word. ( Page 3 of 3. Page 1 Page 2 )

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