Christians Together : Putting a stop to Cessationism

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Seumas, Tobermory (Guest) (27/08/2011 09:35)

Martin, no not a case of "baby and bathwater" more a case of chucking out the bilge that will eventually overflow and sink the ship!
Let me give you an example: Dawkins' talk at UHI in Inverness a few years ago. A perfect opportunity to confront the worlds most famous atheist. WASTED.

Wasted by a speaker's explanation of his "experiences" , his "annointing" and all that nonsense. In fact I find myself in agreement with Dawkins here - so much of this charismatic stuff is just "voices in the head" feel-good, experiential, touchy-feely group speak and Pavlovian responses. Marks of a cult in fact.

Now, if instead of pushing what was important to HIM nd his experiences, had the speaker perhaps asked Dawkins:

"Tell me Professor, how do you explain the life changing experience that Christian faith can bring, the sort of "switchblade to cross" transformations, the sort of thing that happened during the Lewis revivals of last century when the pubs emptied and the churches filled, when people whose lives were one of drink, hedonism and blasphemy became trasnformed into upright characters? You know how hard it is to keep a New Year resolution - how do you explain this type of transforming effect?"

And thats what I would have asked, and I would like to see Dawkins provide a cynical put down to that.

Thats why this stuff is so damaging. "the last vomit of Satan" is how Campbell Morgan described pentecostalism. I wonder what he would have said about the modern manifestations of this mind controlling cult?

Editor (27/08/2011 10:15)

In agreeing with AT's concern about "some of the vitriol being poured out" it is not really becoming for Christians to be employing language like:

"So basically tongues = BS" (if it means what I think it means.
"chucking out the bilge"
"the last vomit of Satan"

Points should be made in a manner which is polite and respectful. Thank you.

Seumas, Tobermory (Guest) (27/08/2011 10:36)

Point taken

But that WAS respectful. You should hear me when I am rude.

Anyway, I quoted Luther re Zwingli earlier. He didnt pull any punches. Neither did Knox when he got going.

BS = "bad stuff" ....... no, actually your suspicion is correct.

I thought bilge was a fine counterpoint to bathwater... oh, never mind

"last vomit" Just quoting a well known preacher. OK, so he was intemperate in his language, but hey, he was right.

Here, I bet you this debate raises the temperature wherever it occurs. Actually I dont "bet" but you know what I mean. I'll shut up for a bit...

Jenny (27/08/2011 16:11) "
"Tell me Professor, how do you explain the life changing experience that Christian faith can bring, the sort of "switchblade to cross" transformations, the sort of thing that happened during the Lewis revivals of last century when the pubs emptied and the churches filled, when people whose lives were one of drink, hedonism and blasphemy became trasnformed into upright characters? You know how hard it is to keep a New Year resolution - how do you explain this type of transforming effect?"

And thats what I would have asked, and I would like to see Dawkins provide a cynical put down to that. "

I really don't think he would have found that any more unanswerable. No, nor even if one rose from the dead. If argument were capable of convincing anyone of anything, ...I think we would all have heard, by this late stage in history.
Only the Holy Spirit can convict or convince, and (as a cessationist) I don't mean by slaying with holy laughter or throwing people backwards to the floor.
Not but what he could do that, any time he willed.

Peter Carr (28/08/2011 16:14)

Alister said, "Having skimmed the discussion, I have seen nothing suggesting that we get out there and take God's word to the people who are currently bound for Hell."

Please do not make the error in assuming that people involved on this website are not;

1. Already daily involved in The Great Commission.
2. Capable of debating other wider issues that also include other aspects of God's whole counsel.

Thankyou

Alistair Taylor (Guest) (28/08/2011 17:52)

Tartan Paint,

You have also skimmed the conversation or you would have seen my reply to Tim!

Yours Smugly,

Al http://www.christianstogether.net/Images/emoticons/lookaround.gif

Alistair Taylor (Guest) (28/08/2011 17:53)

Ignore the bit after my name. Caused by user stupidity.

Peter Carr (28/08/2011 18:16)

Sorry, the link doesn't seem to be working, which page does it refer to?

Alistair Taylor (Guest) (29/08/2011 10:59)

Hi Tartan Paint,

It's just the address of the smiley, which I inserted by mistake. Hence my comment on user stupidity.

Having just re-read my first reply to you, I realise that it could look rude. However, it was meant to be light-hearted, so apologies if I offended.

Martin Lisemore (30/08/2011 22:54)

Alistair, I enjoyed your humour and thank you for it.

But have to say, God's word stands, and that for all time, which I believe we're near the end of.

My experience of this God is, if you simply take Him at His word, amazing things will follow. ( Page 7 of 7. Page 1 Page 2 Page 3 Page 4 Page 5 Page 6 )

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