Has Sir Cliff lost the Christian plot?
Has Sir Cliff lost the Christian plot?
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Peter Carr (12/01/2012 11:40)
In response to your query about Cliff's profession, here is some footage from 1968
I am sure if you do a search you will find other clips from other times in his life.
Having watched an interview with Cliff and Piers Morgan last night on ITV 3, I would be inclined to agree with ND's comment above.
There is no doubt that Cliff has managed better than most to live a better life morally, despite his fame, but certainly what came across last night for me, was a huge ego and all the trappings of fortune and fame!!
Editor (12/01/2012 12:18)
Just to 'add some further confusion', CR has recorded a very-much Gospel track with Helen Shapiro who is most certainly a believer. And CR was baptised by David Pawson (whom I don't think would baptise people lightly).
But does all this not illustrate the confusion that abounds. Someone said to me today that Christians ae lauding the band U2 and Bono as being 'Christian'.
Peter Carr (12/01/2012 12:32)
"But does all this not illustrate the confusion that abounds."
Confusion or compromise? Or are they from the same stable with the same root cause?
Peter Carr (12/01/2012 12:40)
Towards the end of the Piers Morgan interview last night (recorded in 2009) CR was adamant that he had never said that he favoured gay marriage, yet in the newspaper article from Oct '11 (at the beginning of this thread), he is quoted as being in favour of...wait for it...gay marriage!!
"I have got friends, same-sex couples, who have been together for decades. So for them it’s marriage even though they can’t call it marriage. It probably isn’t marriage as such because we recognise it as a man and woman and having babies. That’s neither here nor there for me.’
Penny Lee (12/01/2012 12:45) There has always been speculation about CR's sexuality, but nothing has ever been produced to confirm the allegations. Since society just can't conceive of anyone being able to live a celibate life, I regarded these allegations as nothing more than malicious. It is true he shared his house with a former priest but, even that, if living a Christian life, should not mean they were in any kind of relationship.
However, now that CR has condoned homosexual relationships, where he once spoke against them, it does make one wonder why he has changed his opinion. I fully accept that not everyone who condones same sex relationships are in one themselves but they are so clearly forbidden in the Bible that I cannot understand how anyone can reconcile this with their Christian beliefs.
Now that he has also embraced euthanasia, it is clear that he has rejected base Biblical commands and I wonder if his involvement in the music industry and with celebrities in general has finally drawn him away from what he once held dear. When you are constantly in the company of those who live a particular lifestyle, it has got to be much harder to maintain a Christian standard and I wonder if finally the inevitable happened and he was gradually persuaded that this way of life was acceptable to God.
I suspect he is not alone and that God now has us all in the shedding pen and we have to decide which gate we will go through. The vast majority will go through the one which has the world standing by and encouraging us through. The much smaller minority will choose the other one despite the jeers of the crowd. Which one will we choose or maybe we have already made our choice?
Peter Carr (12/01/2012 12:46)
Sorry, I am a townie, please expand.
Penny Lee (12/01/2012 12:51)
A 'shedding pen' is used for livestock to separate them out into two lots who will face different outcomes. All the animals are put into a pen and channelled into a corridor at the end of which someone stands at a swivelling gate to make each animal go one way or the other. Obviously, the animals have no choice as to which way they are directed but for us it is God who is standing at that gate and He has given us the right to decide which way we want to go, so if we end up on the 'wrong side of the fence', it will have been our own choice.
Peter Carr (12/01/2012 12:55)
Peter Carr (12/01/2012 16:25)
Penny said, "There has always been speculation about CR's sexuality..."
What is certain is that he obviously mixes with, and has friends who are in same sex relationships, and therefore he is siding with them instead of the God of the Word that he claims to have faith in!!
N.D. (Guest) (12/01/2012 18:08)
There's a verse that comes to mind from the Proverbs..Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts. Prov.21:2.
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