Has Sir Cliff lost the Christian plot?
Has Sir Cliff lost the Christian plot?
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John Miller (13/01/2012 16:36)
I may be completely wrong about so-called celebrities' (perhaps it's better not to personalise it) profession of Christian faith, but I often feel that the subtle message conveyed focuses on what they can do for Christianity rather than what Christ has done for them. When the woman who had been caught in the act of adultery received forgiveness from Christ His word to her was, "Go and sin no more." That is the test of reality.
RF (Guest) (14/01/2012 18:57)
Peter you can make friends without agreeing with their lifestyle or views; I think it's all about discussion,respect and caring for them. Is it not?
Peter Carr (14/01/2012 19:16)
RF, for the true Christian it is about true obedience to God's word and ways, which are very different to the world and its ways. The true Christian can respect people's right to live as they choose, but cannot and should not condone alternative lifestyles which are clearly against God's revealed will for human beings made in His image.
John Miller (16/01/2012 11:21)
What does it mean to make friends? I am friendly with all my neighbours, although I do not mix socially with them. When I had a business I was assiduous in maintaining friendly relationships with my employees and went as far as I could to make them understand that our relationships were stronger by that friendship. I never mixed with them socially in 45 years in business because I had nothing in common with apart from our emploter/employee relationship. It was a similar situation with customers and suppliers, particularly the latter. I never accepted hospitality because I had no wish to put myself under obligation to business acquaintances. To include persons in our circle of friends whose lifestyles are contrary to the Word of God we are giving our support to their way of life. I am in full agreement with Peter in this.
RF (Guest) (16/01/2012 18:29)
A few of my friends are Christian and the remainder are not. They are all a joy to know. They have their individual weaknesses and strengths but all of them display loyalty when support is needed.
Being merely friendly towards someone is obviously not the same as having a cultivated friendship.
Peter Carr (16/01/2012 20:56)
Interesting article from a Christian lady who does not appreciate being associated with Sir Cliff!
Passer by (Guest) (17/01/2012 15:29)
If you look at the material on that website (and get a feel for the spirit behind the 'Cliff Richard' piece) it doesn't seem as if the lady concerned has a Christian faith which is rooted in Jesus Christ as the only way to God. Jesus said by their fruits you will know them.
Penny Lee (17/01/2012 16:26)
I felt the lady who wrote the article was very aggressive and this did her no favours at all. from what she said, I also didn't get any sense of her having a living relationship with Jesus.
Cliff Richard definitely does not speak for me but then he never claimed he did and neither does this woman. It is more society's perception which perhaps gives that impression.
Grumpyoldman (17/01/2012 16:41)
I'm not aware of Cliff Richard ever speaking for Christians. He has said he is a Christian and that's it. I used to believe that God was using Cliff in the entertainment industry just as He has done in sport but I've changed that view over the years.
The article seems to be having a dig at Cliff and to be honest is a bit unfair.
I agree with Penny, neither Cliff or the columnist represent me or my faith.
Jenny (17/01/2012 18:20)
There's a well-known rhyme:
King Solomon and King David lived very merry lives
With many, many lady friends and many, many wives.
But when old age came creeping on, with many, many qualms,
King Solomon wrote the Proverbs and King David wrote the Psalms.
That's the stereotype, and it surely must often happen like that, but it's exactly back to front for David and Solomon in fact. It was in old age that they fell away from their faith.
Not to make Cliff a David, but I think he's followed Biblical precedent in this at least (Billy Graham too)
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