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From a sovereign about The Sovereign

If there was ever a 'Christmas message' by the present Queen Elizabeth II that spoke of her personal faith then the most recent must rank very high. But what of the future..??

 


 
Queen on throneThe UK sovereign in the Coronation Oath promises to discharge his or her duties to the nation and its people under God. The following extracts are taken from the Coronation ceremony and the Queen's Christmas message of 2011 respectively

The Coronation ceremony for Queen Elizabeth II

on 2 June, 1953 was as follows:


Archbishop of Canterbury:
"Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel? Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law? Will you maintain and preserve inviolably the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England? And will you preserve unto the Bishops and Clergy of England, and to the Churches there committed to their charge, all such rights and privileges, as by law do or shall appertain to them or any of them?"

Queen:
"All this I promise to do."

Then the Queen arising out of her Chair, supported as before, the Sword of State being carried before her, shall go to the Altar, and make her solemn Oath in the sight of all the people to observe the premisses: laying her right hand upon the Holy Gospel in the great Bible (which was before carried in the procession and is now brought from the Altar by the Arch-bishop, and tendered to her as she kneels upon the steps), and saying these words:

The things which I have here before promised, I will perform and keep. So help me God.

Then the Queen shall kiss the Book and sign the Oath.

The Queen having thus taken her Oath shall return again to her Chair, and the Bible shall be delivered to the Dean of Westminster.

 
Just moments after she was crowned Queen Elizabeth II spoke these words:

"Throughout all my life and with all my heart I shall strive to be worthy of your trust."

 

Extract from the Queen's Christmas message, 2011

 

Queen1"Finding hope in adversity is one of the themes of Christmas. Jesus was born into a world full of fear. The angels came to frightened shepherds with hope in their voices: 'Fear not', they urged, 'we bring you tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

'For unto you is born this day in the City of David a Saviour who is Christ the Lord.'

Although we are capable of great acts of kindness, history teaches us that we sometimes need saving from ourselves - from our recklessness or our greed.

God sent into the world a unique person - neither a philosopher nor a general, important though they are, but a Saviour, with the power to forgive.

Forgiveness lies at the heart of the Christian faith. It can heal broken families, it can restore friendships and it can reconcile divided communities. It is in forgiveness that we feel the power of God's love.

In the last verse of this beautiful carol, O Little Town Of Bethlehem, there's a prayer:
 
'O Holy Child of Bethlehem,
Descend to us we pray.
Cast out our sin
And enter in.
Be born in us today.'

It is my prayer that on this Christmas day we might all find room in our lives for the message of the angels and for the love of God through Christ our Lord.

I wish you all a very happy Christmas."
 
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Comment:

The British monarch carries the epithet 'Defender of the Faith'. Ironically it was a title first bestowed on King Henry VIII by the then Pope, and in respect of monarch's duty to support the Roman Catholic Church. However the title travelled with King Henry when he adopted the Protestant faith.

Of course in terms of biblical Christianity the title is meaningless unless the monarch, at any one time, has a personal faith in God through Jesus Christ.

 

In this context the Queen's message should give great encouragement.

 

However the Queen will not live for ever, and it is likely that the transition to her successor will not be without trauma. Prince Charles (the first in line to the throne) has already stated that he would like to be known as 'Defender of Faith' . This would open up the whole spiritual arena. Additionally there are several significant pressures at work which would aim to remove the present constitutional arrangements of nation, under Parliament, under sovereign, under God.

 

In no particular order, there is a very powerfully republican (anti-royal) sentiment running which is kept in check mainly by the very high public regard for the present Queen.

 

Then there is the Roman Catholic Church, with substantial political support, which would want to rescind the Act of Settlement which currently requires the monarch (and spouse) to be of and preserve the Reformed Protestant faith. (And of course from a humanistic point of view it seems unfair that the monarch needs to be so constrained in terms of personal faith and whom he or she should marry).

 

Added to this are the nationalist ambitions of the Scottish National Party which inevitably impact on the present constitutional arrangements.

 

Meanwhile, while Queen Elizabeth is the Supreme Head of the Church of England, the Scottish reformers distanced the monarch from any 'headship' role relating the church - proclaiming Christ Jesus as the only one to hold that position.

 

Putting all these things together, whenever the present Queen dies or abdicates in favour of her successor there is likely to be tremendous upheaval across the United Kingdom.

 

 "And it is He who changes the times and the epochs; He removes kings and establishes kings; He gives wisdom to wise men, And knowledge to men of understanding.

(Daniel 2:21)

 

From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.

(Acts 17:26)

 

 


Christians Together, 03/01/2012

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John Miller 05/02/2014 14:07
Colin, you wrote that you have no doubt whatsoever that the Queen is a Christian. That was a statement expressing an unqualified belief. It is therefore a contradiction to immediately ask the question, "is she a true Christian?", and then issue a totally contradictory conclusion, "I certainly believe not."

You did not initially observe that the Queen is merely a person who falsely claims to be a Christian. If that is what you meant you should say so. For my part I do not believe that I have any right to make the judgement that you obviously feel free to make.

Colin Ford 05/02/2014 15:07
???
Colin Ford 05/02/2014 23:11
John,
I didn't have much time earlier to respond.
What would you expect a loyal subject to say, other than the queen IS a Christian? Clearly she says she IS? Who am I to say that she isn't? (I have said many times on this very website that true and false Christians are growing together-"wheat and tares").I am merely only saying that her profession is NOT according her own words, to her oath according to the Reformed Protestant Faith. I am NOT her judge, God is. But certainly I have no doubt that she IS a false professor of the Faith. Have you not noticed how very, very bad things have become under her 'rule'? Why is this? Is it because she is faithful to God's Word? It is not my fault that you cannot understand my very simple reasoning from the Scriptures. To quote your own words; "First of all this notion that you can be a Christian but not a "true Christian" is not supported by Scripture." Can you not now see that you were incorrect? Did the eleven suspect Judas before he betrayed the Lord?? And yes I am free to say what I believe to be the truth. There are many other Scriptures that attest to this veritable truth 2 Corinthians 11.13-14 KJV, Revelation 2.2 KJV, Philippians 3.18 KJV etc.
The queen is human, just like the rest of us, there is no partiality with God. If she WERE a true believer, would she not have been better off abdicating long, long ago than listening to her wicked advisers? (including her husband?)
Would to God that she could take Galatians 1.10 KJV to heart?
I think it also notable that the queen is a very popular monarch in an apostate age? (think about it!)
May we all grow in grace and truth?


Editor 06/02/2014 10:06
The UK Constitution is a very delicate and subtle interplay of checks and balances between church and state; and individual roles, responsibilities and titles at the top level.

For the Queen to overrule (fail to endorse) an act of Parliament would create a constitutional crisis of nuclear proportions.
As has been conrrectly stated it is up to no man (or woman) to judge the heart of another in terms of their Christian faith. Accordingly the Queen might be a born-again believer who - under God - has been trying her best to resist the negative aspects of a chain of secular governments.

The much more profound issues facing the UK in constitional terms related to the future accession of Prince Charles as 'Defender of Faiths' (polytheism); the possible repeal of the Act of Settlement (which would allow Roman Catholics to sit on the throne and bring the UK under the authority of the Pope); and then the possibility of Scotland becoming a republic (under President Salmond or whoever).

See:
Plans to Abolish the Act of Settlement
http://www.christianstogether.net/Articles/134324/Christians_Together_in/Christian_Life/Christians_and_Politics/Plans_to_abolish.aspx

Church and State: who's boss?
http://www.christianstogether.net/Articles/151239/Christians_Together_in/Christian_Life/Christians_and_Politics/Church_and_State.aspx

President Salmond of Scotland
http://www.christianstogether.net/Articles/286630/Christians_Together_in/Christian_Life/Christians_and_Politics/President_Salmond_of.aspx

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john charles (Guest) 06/02/2014 12:48
As has been conrrectly stated it is up to no man (or woman) to judge the heart of another in terms of their Christian faith.

Could you please give a scripture which states that Christians are not allowed to judge the authenticity of another's faith ?
I find your ascertion difficult to reconcile when faced with such scriptures which ask for vigilance, testing and discernment.

Colin Ford 06/02/2014 14:05
Amen.
Editor 07/02/2014 17:30
John Charles, I am quite prepared to respond to your question, but please e-mail me first. Thank you.
John Charles (Guest) 09/02/2014 10:54
Why - is this not an open forum?
Editor 10/02/2014 10:33
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Editor 10/02/2014 12:18
It is an open forum. However I am not willing -

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